How to get Lightify to work with Hue

How to get Lightify to work with Hue

It is possible to get Osram/Sylvania Lightify to work seamlessly with Philips Hue smart bulb system. Three steps and you will be able to to control your smart bulbs with the Hue app.

Philips made huge headlines before Christmas 2015 when they blocked other zigbee devices that was not a part of the Friends of Hue program. After a huge public outcry on forums, they reversed it. Still you will not be able to get Hue and Lightify to talk together out of the box (as of January 2016), but they are still compatible with the right firmware.

Why mix the two in the first place?

With Philips having the niche to itself for a couple of years, smart homes are now becoming mainstream. The competition from Lightify means a broader range of devices and falling prices. Lightify brings the small edison screw E14 for smaller lamps that Philips do not have yet. They have a fancy smart plug. With their GU10 spots you do not have to pay for the full RBG colour range, only tunable white that probably is sufficient for most. And their spots are normal size compared to Philips longer GU10 spots that are too long for some lamps. Finally the Gateway can be placed in any elecrtical socket in the house, and does not need to be connected to the Wifi router like Philips Hue bridge does.

Philips on the other hand has some really fancy dimmers, the battery free scene selector Tap, is Homekit enabled, has a huge community of developers and now has a RGB-free E27 bulb that is much cheaper than Osram´s. So you definitely will be better off combing the two. For some reason it does not seem that the Lightify Gateway works with Hue lamps.  But reversed, Lightify products will work with the Hue Bridge 2.0.

Update Sept. 19th:  Osram is no longer on the list of the HomeKit compatible devices in IOS10.  Readers report that the Lightify bulbs do not work with the Hue Bridge after newer firmware updates. It is still unclear if it is Hue or Lightify firmware that causes the problem. Do NOT update the firmware if the two work together. Osram has refused to disclose their firmware numbers and release dates which would have helped matching the firmware versions that are compatible with Hue. The following guide only applies to the right firmware versions:

This is what you do:

  1. Connect the Lightify bulb to the Hue bridge to check if it works right out of the box. If it does not, you need to reset the bulb/bridge.
  2. Update the Osram bulb´s firmware. You do need a Lightify Gateway for this, and only this operation. The Lightify bulb will not turn completely off in the Hue app with the original firmware (as of January 2016).
  3. Start the auto search in the Hue app before turning on the Lighify bulb. The Philips Hue bridge will not recognize the bulb if it is already on.

That´s it. The Lightify lamps will work just like they were Hue. You can even control the color temperature from warm orange to cold blue perfectly. This works with the European bulbs. From forum reports it might not work with the American bulbs yet, but you apparently  can ask Osram to convert yours to the European standard. Update: Osram does not do the update anymore after Zigbee 3.0 was released, which should resolve the incompatibility issues between the US and euro versions.

Update: If you are not able to find the right firmware, there still could be some advance solutions. Check out this forum.

If Osram want to become the center of the smart home, they should make sure that their Gateway is compatible with Hue bulbs and vice versa . And someone should make an easy to implement temperature sensor that together with the Osram smart plug enables smart electrical heating.

Advertisements

27 thoughts on “How to get Lightify to work with Hue

  1. Almost perfect simple step by step guide. Just missing one step if you have new is osram bulbs. You need to reset them (3 seconds on 3 seconds off repeated 5 X after which the bulb will flash once to confirm reset) AFTER updating their firmware and before going through the hue auto search or they are still paired to the lightify gateway and can’t be seen.

    I went through the above routine and the hue bridge still couldn’t see them. Did the reset and then they were picked up by the hue bridge straight away. Now if only HomeKit/ Siri worked with these bulbs!! Oh well….small loss of functionality for a big cost saving…..all other hue functions such as scene and geofencing works fine alongside official hue bulbs.

  2. Does this work with the OSRAM Lightify RGBW LED strips as well? I have some Hue bulbs and the Hue hub. I want to replace my under cabinet lighting in my kitchen from the Halogen bulbs, which get so hot they explode, and I think LED strips would work much better. However, the Philips Hue LED strips are 2 meters long, cost $100ea, and I have 4 areas that need lighting. 3 of the 4 areas are way smaller than 2 meters, so I bought one set of the Philips Hue Lightstrip Plus for the longest area, and I bought a set of Lightify LED strips, which come with 3 sets of RGBW LED strips that are 2 feet long for the other areas.

    I thought they would work together since they both use Zigbee, but I was wrong. I want to use these Lightify strips with my Hue Hub instead of adding another set of lights with a 2nd hub. Do you know if this would work with these LED strips like it does with the bulbs?

    • If you have upgraded the firmware of the Lightiy strips, tried to plug them in while the Hue Bridge is searching and made sure that the strips actually work, it might be that you have trouble with the American version of Lightify. There is a workaround here. If not, it may be that the strips for some reason are not compatible. Please keep us kposted if it works or not.

  3. Ok, I’ll give this a try later today and let you know if it works or not.

    Just wondering, has anyone tried using one of these(http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-electronic-ballast-interface-certified/dp/B00NMSQ4QQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1457983848&sr=1-1&keywords=Dresden+ballast) to connect regular RGB/RGBW LED strips to a Zigbee hub? I’m just finishing a new PC build where I used regular RGB LED strips connected to an Aqua Computer (Germany based) Farbwerk RGB LED Bluetooth controller, and I have a bunch of LED strips left over, which are all common anode. It would be nice if someone were able to incorporate regular RGB LED strips into their Zigbee, or Philips Hue controller, especially if making long runs with LED strips. If this works, it would also allow someone to trim the LED strip without having to waste the leftover strip that was cut, otherwise, this probably wouldn’t provide any cost benefit.

    One last question, I’ve seen where people have been able to add LED strips to the back of their TVs or add additional Philips Hue lights and incorporate them into their Philips Ambilight displays, but is there a way this can be done if someone doesn’t own a Philips Ambilight TV? I’ve seen some apps developed that control the Philips Hue lights by utilizing the camera in a smartphone pointed at a screen, but I would like to be able to use my hands to hold a remote or a game controller instead of holding my phone pointed at my TV all the time.

  4. Here’s the response I got from Sylvania about changing the bulbs from ZHA to ZLL. Apparently, it’s no longer needed. The only question is, has Philips upgraded to the same?

    Thank you for your interest in LIGHTIFY. Over the past year you may have seen reference on the internet to LIGHTIFY customer service having the ability to change firmware versions for certain US products so that they can work on other ZigBee based ecosystems that might not support them. However what you may or may not know, is that the ZigBee Alliance has now released a new standard called ZigBee 3.0 which combines the functionality from the two previous lighting standards, ZigBee Light Link (ZLL) and ZigBee Home Automation (ZHA).

    What this means for you, is that your favorite ecosystems will now be able to work with all of the LIGHTIFY lighting products regardless of if they currently are manufactured with ZLL or ZHA. Of course you will need to reconfirm this with your ecosystem of choice, since the interoperability fall under their responsibility.

    We are strong supporters of open and interoperable systems, therefore we have decided to strategically move forward in support of ZigBee 3.0 and no longer perform this custom firmware upgrade. By doing this, we hope foster and promote our vision of true open and interoperable systems.

    Thank you again and best regards,

    SYLVANIA Lightbulb Team

  5. Hi

    After reading your article, I decided to add RGBW Osram bulbs to my existing Hue system. I purchased two new bulbs and a lightify bridge.

    I initially fitted the bulbs and the Hue bridge picked them up straight away. However, as per your recommendation, I then decided to update the software on them. I reset them, connected them to the Lightify bridge and downloaded all of the updates. I then reset them again so that I could connect them to the Hue again.

    Unfortunately they now do not get picked up by the bridge. I have tried many times, including placing them within touching distance of the bridge. I could not try the manual search as I could not see a serial number on the bulbs.

    Any ideas what I could do now to try and connect them to the Hue?

    • If your Lightify bulbs worked perfectly right out of the box, my guess is that Osram did something not very Hue frindly to a newer firmware version. Are you able to identify the firmware version that does not work? My bulbs did not turn completely off out of the box back in January and had to be updated to the most current Lightify firmware at that time. If you have tried connecting the bulbs to power close to the Hue Bridge while the Bridge is searching, the best solution would probably be to downgrade the Lightify bulbs firmware if possible. Maybe check with Osram to see if you can do it? Or go back to the store and change the bulbs with some that still has the the older firmware. Have you updated the Hue bridge firmware to 01031131 (after March 1st) or are you still on 01030262? I have not bothered to upgrade the Hue firmware since my lights works perfectly. But if you have run out of options, you could check if updating the firmware on the Hue bridge solves the problem. Of course that could lead to even more trouble.

      You would think that the point with Zigbee, was to avoid these issues…

      • I tried many, many options. I tried Touchlink again, amazing how close the bulb has to be from the bridge, and although the bulbs flashed, they were still not showing up. I was on the most recent Hue firmware (01031131).
        The solution? A full factory reset of the hub. All the Philips bulbs were picked up again, and after turning them of then on again, so we’re the Osrams. All I had to do then is rename them and regroup them. Still on firmware 01031131 for the hub btw.

  6. Sergeh,
    I just tried this today and I am not having the same luck.
    I bought the gardenspot with the hub. I first tried pairing the lights with the hue out of the box and no luck. I plugged in the Wemo hub and went through the whole setup thing, paired the bulbs, etc. I updated the firmware on the bulbs.
    Then I did a factory reset on the bulbs (turn off and on 5x for three seconds). Then I unplugged the lights. I used the Hue App on my phone to search for new lights. I then plugged in the gardenspot lights and it never found them. My Hue bridge is on 01031131.
    Any ideas, guys?

  7. Same here. Because my Lightify bulb switched on automatically after switching it off with the Hue bridge, I bought an Osram lightify gateway to update the firmware of the bulb in order to solve this problem. After the update the Hue bridge cannot connect to the Osram bulb anymore. Tried everything: resetting, connecting with touchlink with no luck. There’s communication between the bridge and the Osram when performing touchlink communication: the bulb flashes 5 times and the colortemp changes. But the light won’t be added to the list… If I want to connect the light to the Osram gateway again I have to reset it first.

  8. I played with this quite a bit today trying different combinations of resetting, firmware versions, touchlink (iConnectHue) and could not get it to successfully work. In the end, I settled on using two recipies in If This Then That with a weather trigger for sunset and sunrise to control Wemo Light action. If I want to change the color, I’ll use the Wemo app on my phone. Of course, this solution requires the Wemo Link and maintaining the separate app on my phone. But, at least it is not subject to finicky cross-platform integration.

  9. I had exactly the same problems (NOTE: only with the Osram PAR16 Tunable White Lights, PAR16 RGBW worked well out of the box and turned off completely in Hue App), but after combining everything I had found on the net solved it:

    – out of the box Hue would find the Osram PAR16 Tunable White lamps if you switched them on after starting the search
    – after having paired them the would not turn off completely in Hue app
    – bought Osrams gateway, reset bulbs, updated firmware of the bulbs
    – reset bulbs, Hue bridge would not find them, no matter what I tried

    !! – Finally, managed to connect to them with HueLights app via touchlink (you actually have to touch the bulb with the Hue bridge for it to work)
    – Now they work with the Hue app and turn off completely

    Hope that helps,

    Rattler

  10. Hopefully our worries will be over with the new Home app in iOS10 (if you are an Appleholic). Homekit should be able to override any inconsistencies between different Zigbee devices. As long as you have both the Hue Bridge and the Osram Gateway it will be able to controll everything as if it was one completely compatible system (since both are Homekit compatible).

  11. I have performed all the steps a dozen times and I cannot get my osram bulb to be found with Hue. It never even blinks during the touchlink part. this is just one of the basic ones with dimming, not RGB or tunable white. it works just fine if I pair it with the lightify gateway.

  12. Thanks for the update. Osram was on Apples initial list when they launched HomeKit,
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/13/apple_launches_homekit_app/,
    but they are not on the current list https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204903
    I am in contact with Osram about this issue. Since at least one version of their bulb firmware was compatible with the Hue bridge I am also trying to get them to disclose their firmware versions and release dates like Philips does http://www2.meethue.com/en-us/release-notes/
    The answer so far is: “Please apologize us but we are not able to share this info.” Osram clearly is yet again failing in public relations. Another reason to choose Hue.

  13. LIGHTIFY Support-Team answering on email:
    “We have just returned from examining the technical requirements for compatibility with Apple Home Kit. Once we have new information here for development, we will announce our potential new partners.”

    • Hi all

      Just for clarity are we saying the bulbs work with Hue if you have the lightyfy gateway hub and update but not apple home kit.

      I have full Hue apart from living room which is e14 heaven so if I buy these and the gateway would they work and would they be controllable via Amazon echo as well

      UK user

  14. With the right firmware, you will get them to work, but Osram refuses to disclose the firmware update dates and numbers unlike Philips, so it seems you have to rely on luck. Another option is to buy a E14 to E27 adapter.

    • Thanks for reply.

      Yeah I thought of that but when measured they would stick out the top of each bit of light too much so binned that idea.

      Daft question but can you upgrade and downgrade the lightyfy until works or if upgrade… is that it !

      • Probably not. You can be lucky to buy a bulb with the right firmware. Wether it is the new Hue bridge firmware or the new Lighify bulb firmware that causes the problems are not clear. If people have experimentet with it, please tell. I have not upgraded mine to avoid the problems.

  15. I just bought a Philips Hue bridge and Lightify and everything worked out of the box without a problem. The Hue bridge updated and it still works. Here are the software versions of my devices:
    Hue bridge software version: 01035934
    OSRAM PAR 16 50 RGBW – Lightify. Software version: v1.03.21

  16. Hello, I bought yesterday a lightify garden white with the firmware version 1.03.07. I started the searching process with my hue hub 2.0 with the last firmware installed and at first I cannot succeed to find them. Then I press for a long time a little rubber cap that seems the protection of a small switch and after some seconds the 2nd version HueApp found them!!
    The problem is that they don’t completely turn off when I request to do it via app 😦 I can regulate the light intensity from the max to a min but I cannot power off them. I have some doubts about buying a lightify gateway for trying the firmware update because I’m afraid they won’t work anymore like happened to some of you. What do you suggest?
    Thanks all.
    Regards

  17. My Lightify bulbs worked out of the box with Hue but were not as smooth when colour changing as my Hue bulbs, Osram advised to upgrade the firmware. I purchased the gateway and upgraded to the latest but now both bulb types play up with Hue.
    The Classic A60 RGBW (E27) bulb was 01020307 updated to 01020412
    The PAR 15 50 RGBW (GU10) bulb was 01020315 updated to 01020412
    My Hue Hub 2 (which hasn’t changed from when the bulbs were working) is on 01036659

    After the upgrade of the PAR 15 50 RGBW one of the bulbs will not connect to Hue or Lightify, the other 3 connect back to Lightify but one bulb colour is now off. They will not connect to hue, although do blink in acknowledgement when Hue searches.

    The Classic A60 RGBW did connect back up to Hue but shows as unreachable at all times, I can turn the bulb on and off but not change a colour.

  18. Osram have really disappointed me, everything they seem to do is a bit rubbish.
    The IOS App is nasty, took me almost 48 hours to get past the compulsory hub update which didn’t do anything, just told me to sit patiently for 10-15 minutes – nothing happened!
    The Alexa App is bad.
    The firmware update broke 2 bulbs, and prevents all bulbs from working with my Hue hub.
    The Osram support by phone gave me wrong advice about updating firmware.
    The Osram email support (I presume not UK based) was unable to read English, I pointed out that I had updated to the latest firmware quoting original and current version numbers, yet the advise came back to buy a gateway (which is needed to do the upgrade??? and to update to the latest firmware??? which I was already running???). I’m sure English was not their first language but quoting them the latest firmware they should have at least understood I was up to date.

    BBC report that they unsurprisingly made “elementary” mistakes with the software leaving it exposed to hackers http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36903274

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s